#70: 5-Time Olympic Medalist Nastia Liukin

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This is a podcast episode titled, #70: 5-Time Olympic Medalist Nastia Liukin. The summary for this episode is: If you liked this episode, we bet that you’ll love our blog content. blog.drift.com/#subscribe Subscribe to never miss a post & join the 20,000+ other pros committed to getting better every day. ----- We're joined by 5-time Olympic medalist Nastia Liukin. Nastia won gold in gymnastics at the 2008 summer Olympics, and she joins us to talk about her morning routine, favorite workouts, the book she's recommended the most, and why you should never quit on a bad day. Oh -- why is Nastia on with us with? Well have a listen and you'll find out. Read the full story on the Drift blog: blog.drift.com/nastia-liukin-speaking-at-hypergrowth Here’s how you can support Seeking Wisdom if you’re a fan of the show: 1. Subscribe on your favorite podcast app. 2. Leave us a five-star review. Here's how: bit.ly/5-Stars-Only. 3. Follow David (twitter.com/dcancel) and Dave (twitter.com/davegerhardt) on Twitter. 4. Learn more about Drift at Drift.com.

Dave: So, what are we doing here?

DC: We're in the presence of greatness

Dave: Right here, royalty.

DC: Royalty.

Dave: She has her own sign.

DC: That's true.

Dave: So if you're checking out on Facebook live or YouTube live, she has her own signs. First time ever.

DC: So, Nastia Liukin is with us, hi Nastia.

Nastia Liukin: Hi.

DC: How are you?

Nastia Liukin: Thanks for having me, I'm great.

DC: Thanks for coming. We were just talking about Boston and how you never thought you'd move here, but now you're here.

Nastia Liukin: Yeah, I literally told my now fiance that wherever our relationship took us, I would never move to Boston. And somehow a year later, I'm still living here. No, but it's great. It's been fun. I was born in Moscow, but growing up in Texas is obviously very different than the East coast. So it's still a lot to get used to. I had my first winter, still don't know how to like drive in the snow, but we're working on it.

DC: And you live out in the suburbs. You don't really have to-

Nastia Liukin: Yeah, I know. It started snowing, I'm like," Oh, do you mind running to the grocery store?" He's like," Well, you have a car, you can go too." And I'm like, crosstalk" My mom says I can't drive in the snow."

Dave: So your parents moved from Moscow to Texas?

Nastia Liukin: Yeah. Well, when I was two and a half, we moved to New Orleans the week of Mardi Gras. And my parents couldn't speak any English, had no idea where they were the week of Mardi Gras with a two and a half year old baby. And they were like, what is this country? And so that was kind of the beginning of our journey. And we stayed there for about a year and then their dream and their goal was to always open up a gymnastics school. And so they had the opportunity to move to Dallas. Gymnastics was pretty big in Texas around that time and still is, but so they were like, okay, well let's go after that dream. And so they moved to Dallas.

DC: So you were the experiment?

Nastia Liukin: Yeah, basically. You know, it's funny because they never even wanted me to do gymnastics. They were both gymnasts. And my dad competed at the 88 Olympic games, won four Olympic medals. My mom was a rhythmic gymnast and a world champion. And so as their only child, they were just like, we just want her to be happy. But for me, I truly found my happiness through gymnastics. And that was my first passion, my first love, literally everything about it. I just wanted to be in the gym. And so I think they said, especially early on, they're like, well, she also has this strange God- given talent that, both of us were gymnasts. So we can't really take that away from her, but we're never going to push her into doing gymnastics.

DC: I've detected something. So the key is to tell you, crosstalk" Don't do it, don't worry about it."

Nastia Liukin: For sure. Yeah, absolutely. crosstalk

DC: "Don'tworry about it, we're not moving to Boston, don't worry about it."

Dave: That is so funny, because it can feel like the traditional story with the athletes is... I mean, obviously so many examples; Tiger Woods' dad, right? There's so many, but it's usually like parents push them and then the kid grows up and ended up hating it.

Nastia Liukin: Absolutely. Yeah, I see that all the time because my parents own a gymnastic school and the kids that burn out, most of the time it's because of the parents pushing them too much. But I truly think that it has to be your own dream and your goal and not just for a sport when you're younger, but for anything in life. I always tell kids one day when you're going to have a job, you have to really love it because you're going to be spending a lot of time doing it. Like I trained seven hours a day, six days a week. And so-

DC: Oh really? There wasn't a book you just read that just said- crosstalk

Dave: This is one of the reasons why we wanted to have you is because so many things that we talk about, David has done five companies. And so we talk so much about,'everybody wants this hack'. They want the shortcut.

Nastia Liukin: Absolutely.

Dave: And the only thing that people... The other thing we were talking about this morning though, is the answers are always out there. There's no secrets. We can tell you here's the things that we read or did this thing. Or you know the answer is hard work or it's starting earlier, it's going seven days a week. But even though people know the answer, it's the reason why there's a secret to getting a six pack and it's working out, eating right. But everybody knows that-

Nastia Liukin: They want to try the latest diets to quickly get that six pack. And you know, it doesn't work that easily.

Dave: I don't want to spend too much time, going back into the past, say, obviously a five time Olympic Medalist, you won gold in 2008 all around. Where are those metals, by the way?

Nastia Liukin: They're in Dallas, at my parents' house.

DC: At the gym?

Nastia Liukin: No, just in a safe. It's funny because my dad had four Olympic medals too and I never really saw them until the year of the Olympics. And it was kind of actually, looking back at it, it was the best thing. I don't know if they did it intentionally, but growing up not seeing four Olympic medals in front of my face every single day, there was enough pressure that I put on myself to try to live up to my parents' expectations and try to live up to what they achieved, because I just wanted to be like them. And so I think if you walked into their house, you would never know that we live there because there's one picture from the Beijing Olympics in my dad's office and that's it. You would never know. And my fiance- crosstalk yeah. But I never really thought about it, but I think the older I get and now thinking into the future and once we have kids too, same with our house. My fiance played hockey at BC won two national titles and our house has nothing; you would never know that we were even athletes. So I think it's-

Dave: Why would you say that?

DC: Why, why are they smart? Because they're doing the things that, it's almost like the NEC, they're setting the right circumstances for you to grow up in and want those things, right? They're putting them in their face. There's this story of this entrepreneur that I listened to. He was telling a story about the Amish and saying one of the things that they do there is they reward the little kids with, " The reward is doing the work." And so working in the fields and if they do something bad, the punishment is you can't come to work today, right? crosstalk

Nastia Liukin: That was like if I got in trouble, I couldn't go to gymnastics. And it was like," Oh my God, what?"

Dave: Cause you love it and you don't want to spite them.

Nastia Liukin: Oh yeah, if I got like a bad grade on a spelling test, my punishment was not going to training that day. And so that's why I made sure to study really well... well, for multiple reasons. But, that was a big-

Dave: My wife and I were watching this video, it was Jerry Seinfeld, and he said," One morning, one of my kids comes up to me and he's like,'Daddy, are we rich?'" And he goes," Well, I'm rich." crosstalk which I think is so good. All right. So you're here because you're going to be speaking at our first annual conference, Hypergrowth, and we're super excited, obviously. I think the thing that's interesting, and that you're going to talk about a lot more, is basically you've accomplished all this stuff in your life. Been super successful before the age of 30 and now you're ripping the band- aid off and starting over.

Nastia Liukin: Absolutely. And I think it's interesting because, not to kind of go back on my career, but I think I achieved what I did when I was 18 years old and it was a lifelong dream, but then four years later I tried to make a second Olympic team and on my very best event, the uneven bars, I fell face first. And I remember laying there, on the mat and all of a sudden, I remember thinking," You're the reigning Olympic all- around champion. All these eyes are on you, 20,000 people in the arena, plus millions watching back around the entire world and you just embarrassed yourself and you failed and you're not going to make this Olympic team." And so then I remember thinking, my parents always told me," No matter what you do, you have to finish what you've started." And it's through the disappointment it's through the failure. And in the moment, I didn't realize how big of a lesson that would be as I kind of move on in my life. But I finished that routine, I landed on my feet and for the first time in my entire career I had a standing ovation. And-

Dave: That's crazy, even when you had one before.

Nastia Liukin: I won the Olympic all- around gold medal and nobody was on their feet. And so when I had the worst routine of my entire career, 20, 000 people were on their feet. And so, again, in that moment, I had no idea why this was happening. I was like," You guys sit down, that was really bad. Really, you shouldn't even be cheering for me." I was so embarrassed. And then-

DC: But that's when you were a true winner, right?

Nastia Liukin: Yeah. And I think my entire life, my mentality was always like people aren't going to support you, people aren't going to love you unless you win the gold medal, unless you come out on top, unless you are the best student, you make the most money, success. What is success? And for me, that's kind of what I defined it as. And so that moment for me has just really kind of proved to me that there's so many parts of success and winning that metal, yes, that was a piece of success, but you can have more pieces of success and you can move on from that. And so that's kind of what I'm trying to do is not look back at my life. And as you said, I'm not yet 30, but when I'm 40, 50, 60 years old, I don't want to think that the only thing that I did while it was amazing was win that gold medal at 18.

Dave: So you don't want to be the rest of your life you're on the speaking circuit talking about 2008.

Speaker 4: Yeah. And I do do speaking engagements and at first, right after I won, that's what my speech was about, was was winning that gold medal. And I recently did one last week in South Dakota and it was just like I've really altered my story and my mentality. And that's what I say when I get up there, I'm like," I'm sure you're all thinking I'm going to tell you about, how I won that gold medal, my journey to becoming a five- time Olympic medalist, but that's not who I am." I feel like for so long, I let that define who I was. And I realized those medals, yes they're mine and they're sitting in the safe in Texas, but they don't define me as a person.

Dave: And you were talking about earlier, after that you went back to college-

Nastia Liukin: Which was hard.

DC: You started over again.

Nastia Liukin: Yeah it was so hard. But I think like that's what I wanted because I felt like in the moment for 22 years of my life, gymnastics defined who I was as a person. And I had no idea what my passions were, who I was as a person, what I wanted to do. And so I think by moving to New York, going to NYU, just meeting so many amazing people and taking classes that I was super interested in and even the ones that I really wasn't interested in, but you had to do, it just really opened up my mind to so many different things and really made me realize that there is life beyond gymnastics and sports.

Dave: So what is that for you now? Give us more about what you're up to.

Nastia Liukin: Well, it actually has to do with gymnastics as far as right now. So my fiance and I, we've both been so lucky to have such amazing mentors in our life throughout our life. For me, my dad obviously was a huge mentor of mine because not only was he an Olympic champion himself, he also then coached me and then was a very successful business-

Dave: We talk about that so much-

DC: So much, mentors, the importance of mentors.

Nastia Liukin: Oh my gosh. Yeah.

Dave: And specifically mentors and role models.

Nastia Liukin: Yes, exactly. And so this is what our new business is all about is we're building basically communities and it's an application, it's called Grander. So really about like being grander in your life. And so we've started in the gymnastics community,'cause obviously it just makes sense. And we're really trying to perfect this community right now and then take it across different verticals. It's myself and five other of my Olympic and world championship teammates. And we're basically the quote unquote mentors of this community. And then we have a community feed and they're asking us questions and I think social media has just become this huge thing. When I competed at the Olympics, I didn't have a Twitter, I didn't have an Instagram, it's insane-

Dave: I was going to ask you. How did you get so many Instagram followers I need that. Can you just? crosstalk

Nastia Liukin: I think I did dancing with the stars, the Olympics, not when I competed, but after. But anyways, I feel like there's kind of this gap between social media and these in- person events that we're able to go see. They're very rare, at times they're expensive for families or for kids or for these companies, whatever it is and there's no in between. And so I also feel like for 22 years I gained a lot of gymnastics knowledge and now I can't do anything with it because I don't do gymnastics anymore. It's not something I use. And so why not try to kind of carry that on and inspire that next generation of athletes and that next generation of these females, these women that are going to be the next generation of our world. And so that's kind of what it's really about and kind of that whole message of female empowerment. We had this one girl, I think she was about 10, she posted a video last week and saying she was really getting body shamed by some of her teammates. And I was just looking at it. I'm like, first of all, that's crazy, a 10 year old and her teammates are body shaming her. And so I wrote back to her and she was saying she doesn't have the typical body for gymnastics. And I'm like, talk about not the typical body for gymnastics because I was always quote unquote too skinny, not strong enough, I couldn't run as fast, I couldn't jump as high. All odds were against me to win that gold medal because I just wasn't that classic like gymnast body, I wasn't strong, I wasn't a lot of things. And so I told her," It's so important to be comfortable in your own skin and to be confident in your own skin and to also stop listening to everybody else." And it's so hard to do. Cause it's easier when you're on the other side telling somebody. But no, it was cool because I commented and then like 10 of the community members commented, they're like," Stand up for yourself." And it was this conversation. It was really special. So, that's kind of what we're building is, the importance of having these role model and mentors in your life. And now as Matt and I have moved on into the business world, we have mentors in the business world that we can talk to. And so it's not necessarily just having an athlete that you look up to or a gymnast.

DC: It's in all areas of your life.

Nastia Liukin: Every single part of marriage and business and so many different aspects.

DC: If you only knew how often we talk about this, right?

Nastia Liukin: I love it. I love it.

DC: That's the idea behind the podcast and behind the conferences around this kind of growth in all these areas. And it's so important to have those role models around you. And the amazing thing to me is every successful person that I talk to in any realm, whether it's business or sports or what have you, it's always the same patterns, role models, mentors, right? Putting in that somewhat hard work. Someone's telling them, or people telling them you're not the right shape. You're not the right size. You don't have what it takes. Right. It's always the same story.

Nastia Liukin: It's so true. I've been just reading a lot of books and listening to a lot of podcasts lately about now successful companies, whether it's Kate spade or different brands and different companies. And it's like the commonality between every single one that I've read or listened to has been a failure in the beginning-

Dave: This is crazy, this is so inaudible, it's unbelievable.

Nastia Liukin: Or a failure to the sense of I literally either had to go 110% all in, or I was just going to have to give it all up and throw it off the table and start over.

DC: But this is why people clapped when you fell, right? Because it's what we talk about; everyone falls, but winners get up when they fall, right? And that's when you were the true winner.

Dave: The other flip side of that, which I learned from him, is there's role models, right? And so there's also reverse role models, which is basically sometimes you might have imposter syndrome or think that you shouldn't be involved with these people, right? And then you go to an event or you go and do something and you realize that all of these other crazy successful people don't feel that much different than you. You're like," Wait a second. Oh, we're so similar." And that is such a been like such an unlocking thing for us.

Nastia Liukin: I think it's interesting because last week I did a keynote at, it was a women's business conference and I'm looking out into there was 1, 000 business owners. And I remember being a little nervous because I'm just like," They all have kind of what I'm wanting to have soon, a business." And I'm like," Why are they going to listen to me?" And so I remember after I finished I had so many people come up to me and say," That's exactly what we needed to hear." And I was just like," Wait, what?" And so I was kind of like," Okay, yeah." And actually something that I always share too, and kind of has really applied with me throughout my entire life, was when my mom told me when I was little, was that we're all going to have bad days, whether it's in gymnastics, business, a marriage, whatever it is and it's so important to never quit on a bad day. And I remember... crosstalk I owe my parents quite a lot. But I remember coming home from the gym and just crying and being like," I quit, I don't want to do this anymore." And my mom was always like," We're not going to push you into this. You can quit, but not today. You can have to go back to the gym until you have a good day. And after a good day, you can quit." And sometimes that would take me three days, five days a week, and then, moms know best. So I'd come home after a good day, she's like," Great. We'll enroll you back into public school. We'll find another activity that you like." And I'm like," What are you talking about? I never said I wanted to quit." So it's like-

DC: We need to get your parents on this podcast.

Dave: We're in startups and so it's the same. It's like Monday could be amazing, Tuesday could be terrible, Wednesday could be amazing, Thursday could be terrible. And so if you react in the short term, we always say we're in it for the long run, regardless.

Nastia Liukin: Yep. Absolutely. That's what I feel like what this business is like for us too, because for me outside of building my personal brand and that business and working with sponsors and keynote speeches and all that, which has been great and I'm very fortunate for that, I wanted to do something that brought me as much passion as I once had for gymnastics. Because I feel like ever since I finished gymnastics, I haven't quite found something that every single day, while yes, it's a struggle some days and not all days are great, but you're in it for that long run. And you have this goal and you have this dream and this passion and while everything else, I do enjoy doing those things, but it's like, they're one off things and every day is different and you're like," Okay, one day I'm talking to kids the next day, I'm talking to business women," and so it's been really cool. We're kind of starting the round of investing and meeting with investors. I was just telling Matt yesterday, I'm so used to success kind of being in my own hands where you make it happen. If you want to be better at the balance beam, you have to do more beam routines. And so sometimes that's not always the way it works, starting a new business. And so I feel like that's my worst quality right now is I get so frustrated sometimes when if people don't understand or they're like," I'm not sure how that could be scalable." And we're like,"This is how it could be scalable." I'm really learning a lot about it. So it's been really fun.

DC: That's amazing. We have a lot of investors who listen to this show here, so you have to reach out and check our Grander. crosstalk That's a big check.

Nastia Liukin: It's been fun, yeah.

Dave: Something you said there, which is so important is you have to love it, right? This is why you hate when people talk about work- life balance so much. Because the only way is, you know it's going to be hard, you know it's going to take time. And so if you don't actually love doing it every day, it's going to be so hard.

Nastia Liukin: I absolutely agree. And it's funny because a lot of people are also... Obviously Matt and I are engaged and we're starting this business together and it's... He learned kind of well, that's crazy. Yeah, how do you do that?

Dave: Do you get any questions about that?

Nastia Liukin: We've gotten quite a few, I would say it's a 50/50. 50% of the people ask something or they're kind of scared to ask, but that you try to bring it up. And then the other 50 are just like," Whatever. We don't really care." But it's really funny because both of our parents... His parents started a business together, still work together, still married, the same with my parents. And we grew up like that. And so to us, that's not weird. We saw that our parents work together and made very successful business, both completely opposite ends of the types of business. But I think that we're both very driven and obviously like any coworkers, you're going to disagree about things. But I think at the end of the day, when you have that same vision and that same end goal, which is why it worked for my dad and I when we were training. Because my dad was my coach and people always said," How does that work? How do you come home to that? And to the coach." And I was like," I don't know, he knows me more than any other coach could ever get to know me as an athlete or obviously as a daughter." And so our end goal was the same. We both wanted the same thing and sure, there were times where we were frustrated and we didn't want to talk to each other and we butt heads because we were both so stubborn and we're the same person. But at the end of the day, we worked hard and we made it happen.

Dave: So a couple of things I want to just go deeper on, more quickly, based on what you're doing now. You're speaking, you're doing a bunch of stuff, so you're all over the place. Do you still have morning routines, workout routines, habits that you're trying to stick to every day? What's a typical morning? And the reason I ask is the people that listen to this, love hearing about what are you doing in the morning? What happens when you get up? What time does your alarm go off?

Speaker 4: Okay, so Matt, my fiance... I thought I was an early riser and he's a really early riser.

Dave: What does that mean?

Nastia Liukin: 4:30/5: 00.

Dave: We're not married, obviously. Before I even have looked at my phone, I have 16 messages from inaudible. Every channel, ping, ping, ping, ping!

Nastia Liukin: Oh, I do the same to my agents too. crosstalk.

Dave: He sent me this, 6: 08 this morning," Nastia is coming today, I hope you got notes." I'm like," I'm ready."

Nastia Liukin: You're like," I'm on it!" But I'm the same way. I'm like," We need to get this deal done. Before 7: 00 AM." And I'm sure I looked crazy.

Dave: So Matt's already been up for a couple of hours.

Nastia Liukin: So yeah, I'm slowly trying to get on a schedule. Today I got up at 5: 30. We always try to get in a morning workout just because I feel like the day gets ahead of you. And if you're not going to do it in the morning, it's not happening.

Dave: That's what we always talk about, nobody's asking you to get a drink at 6: 15 in the morning.

Nastia Liukin: Exactly. And I feel like it's so important to take time for yourself in the morning. So what we try to do is actually before we go on our morning chain of emails, we put our phones down for a second and we'll have our coffee and we'll read whatever book we're reading for... whether it's we have 30 minutes that day, or we have five to 10 minutes, whatever it is, whether you're reading a book, you're listening to a podcast, something to just kind of stimulate your brain a little bit instead of social media straight out, and then we'll have a juice. So have you heard of Juicero? Yeah, we have one so shout out because they did send us one so I'm very grateful. crosstalk They don't ship to Massachusetts yet, but we got very lucky. So, we have a juice and we do Bulletproof coffee. And then today we went to Orange Theory.

DC: Is that where you work out?

Nastia Liukin: Yeah, we did a class today. So we try to mix it up between Orange Theory, Soul Cycle, or we'll just do like a... Matt, he is great at putting workouts together. So we kind of have an at- home basement gym. So we'll do that.

DC: And he's like," This is what you're doing today."

Dave: You kind of say that like Matt crosstalk

Nastia Liukin: Well, if I try to put something together, I'm like, okay, some squats, some abs, because I feel like my whole life I was coached. And so now, I'm still trying to get out of that mentality of someone constantly having to tell me what to do. And I'll even ask you, I'm like," Wait, so what do I need to do today?" And he's like,"Can't you figure it out yourself?"

Dave: Just go sweat for 40 minutes.

Nastia Liukin: So that's kind of our morning routine. And then we'll come back and kind of get ready for the day depending on what it is, like later today we have another meeting with an investor, so I'll hop over thereafter here. And then we were leaving for LA, Miami, New York and LA for two weeks, we leave on Monday. So I'm working with the LA 2024 Olympic bid. So really excited about that. They have the IOC coming in next week to kind of do the venue tour.

Dave: A couple of days. What time did you go to bed last night? To get up at 5: 30?

Nastia Liukin: 10 ish. Yeah. 10 ish. Yeah.

Dave: And the other thing I was going to ask you is... so everything you said there is... We talk about that every day, that the time in the morning is the only time we, we both talk about-

DC: No phones before eating-

Dave: Yeah, tell her your morning routine.

DC: Sure. Which I talk about all the time; I get up around 5: 00/5:30, the first thing I do, it's about being intentional. So the first thing I do is I do yoga in the morning, like 15 minutes. Then I read, then my son or my daughter is up. The coffee... And I was mostly bulletproof before, and then after that, then I finally spend some time actually checking my phone. And sometimes I do this thing called box breathing, which is you basically just do this pattern of, let's say 10, second pauses-

Nastia Liukin: Matt does some of the breathing exercises. I haven't gotten into it yet. But he went to like a Tony Robbins- crosstalk. And so he does the cold plunge, he does a lot of those things that I can't quite get into the cold plunge yet.

DC: Especially in Boston.

Nastia Liukin: The winters I'm like," You are crazy! I love you, but"-

Dave: I tried the Wim Hof 10 seconds in the shower, ice cold. crosstalk I'm trying to enjoy this shower. Next thing I know, I'm in there for 40 minutes, Leah is banging on the door like," Get the hell out of there!"

Nastia Liukin: Oh, and the phone thing, something else at night, which isn't a morning routine, but we've kind of made it so we're not allowed to have our phones in the bedroom. And like at first I was like,"Wait, what?" I need to be on Instagram until my eyes shut. And it's like, no, you actually don't, those Instagram posts are still going to be there in the morning.

DC: Don't worry about it.

Dave: We just did the same thing, my wife and I, do you feel like you feel different?

Nastia Liukin: I do. Yeah. I think it was tough, to mentally switch off because I was literally on my phone till my eyes would shut. And so now it's like we leave our phones plugged in in the bathroom or wherever. And then it also helps you get out of bed. Cause if your alarm is somewhere else, it's really annoying to get up and go back and get up and go back so you just to get up.

Dave: So you set the alarm out there?

Nastia Liukin: Yeah.

Dave: Oh, that's tough. I just got a little$6 digital thing that I can snooze on and I love that!

Nastia Liukin: No, no, because that gets you up. It makes you get up.

DC: Step it up dude, let's go man.

Nastia Liukin: That's your next step.

DC: Yeah, just get out there. And so you're out there now trying to raise investment for your company, Grander. And how's that going?

Nastia Liukin: So, it's been good. This has been our first week of really actively doing it just because we were finishing. So we basically launched in October, but with more of a private pilot, just because we really wanted to learn a little bit more and instead of just announcing it to the public, we really wanted to figure everything out. And so it's been really fun and we've done some, what we call offline experiences, where we'll do events at some local gyms or we've traveled a little bit. Just to kind of give that offline experience to the app, because that's what we felt... We do these events and then you're almost left like," Okay, I'm probably never going to see you speak to you or hear from you again." You know? And so it's to kind of continue that and make it kind of a cycle where you can still kind of stay in touch. So it's been fun and I'm learning quite a lot about the investment side.

DC: I'm happy to talk about that offline. I'd love to help you inaudible.

Nastia Liukin: Yeah. We'd love that obviously.

DC: Be your first investor.

Nastia Liukin: Yes, absolutely.

Dave: He's written a couple checks, so take him up on that.

Nastia Liukin: I absolutely will, don't forget to give me your business card. Just kidding.

Dave: Well, Nastia it was awesome, so awesome to have you here. And we're super excited, I can already tell the vibe today is going to be insane in September with 1, 000 people that are going to be hungry to learn inaudible crosstalk.

Nastia Liukin: I'm so excited. Thanks for including me.

DC: Oh this was fun. No offense, Dave, but this room feels a lot better now.

Dave: Damn. It should! Of course it should. I'm just excited because we didn't talk about any of this stuff before-

DC: I don't know if Nastia wants to do DC Nastia show.

Dave: Oh, she does? I'm out. I'm out. I'm out. Wow. Okay. You know what? That's okay. I'll be known as the guy who got us to this point. And then was replaced and we're good. I started it.

Nastia Liukin: You started it. It takes somebody to start it off, you know? crosstalk

Dave: You both are great. you would have to do all the prep work though. crosstalk

Speaker 4: That's all right. That's okay.

Nastia Liukin: I'm learning how to do that.

Dave: Oh! Before we go. Number one book that you've recommended or given out to somebody?

Speaker 4: It's one that I've read before the Olympics, The Secret. I feel like it's about... it sounds so cliche obviously, but really that positive thinking, not even just as an athlete, but as a person. If you're going to attract negative things into your life, or keep asking the question of like, why me, why this, why can't I do this? Nothing great is going to happen. And just a quick tid bit on The Secret; I created a vision board about six months before the Olympics and the Beijing Olympic committee had just printed off the Olympic metals and so... Or released them. So I printed off gold, silver, bronze, put it on my vision board. And the week before I left for Beijing, my mom dug out my dad's Olympic medals in the attic and hung the gold one on my board. And it was the first time. And it was like looking at like a picture of a metal I could potentially have in the next few weeks. And my dad... A real one and putting those together, it kind of just made it seem so real.

DC: That's a movie moment.

Speaker 4: Yeah. The day I left, she put a card right by my vision board and I got it the day I got back from the Olympics and it said," Congratulations, I'm so proud of you." And obviously not knowing what was going to happen, but she had this feeling. And so, I really believe in believing and no matter what, through failures or through falling literally or figuratively, you have to finish what you've started. You have to pick yourself up. And if you work hard and if you believe in yourself, anything is possible.

DC: That's amazing. When you have kids, you need to have a parenting book with your parents. It's going to be amazing.

Speaker 4: My dad's actually told my mom and I that we need to do that. Because you know, my mom didn't coach... well, she was my first coach, but she was too much of a mom. I was like," I'm tired." She's like," Go sit down." My dad's like," Yeah, she's going to get real far." But she really was the support side to the team. We called ourselves team Lukin. And it was this triangle. It was me being the athlete, my dad being the coach and she was the one that held it all together. And without her, we absolutely wouldn't have made it so.

DC: Wow. That's a book I want to read. Awesome. Thanks for coming in.

Speaker 4: Thanks so much for having me.

Dave: Get us out of here.

DC: All right. Everyone knows what's what to do: five star reviews only. Check with Apple, let's see if we can get six stars now.

Dave: We only get five star reviews.

DC: We only get five star reviews, right?

Dave: It's unbelievable.

DC: Unbelievable

Dave: The people they only leave 5 star reviews.

Nastia Liukin: Can I leave a review?

Dave: Yeah crosstalk

DC: So six star reviews only and I want you to go check out the biggest Instagram that I've ever seen, ever, gazillion followers, I think right now. What's your Instagram handle?

Speaker 4: It's Nastia Liukin. So N A S T I A L I U K I N.

DC: Go check it out. Go check out Grander. And if you're an investor, hit Nastia up. Give her some money, write big cheques only.


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